Firefox 89 and Proton
So, the latest Firefox is out with an all-new Proton design and apparently, may cause even the most diehard of Google Chrome fans to switch to it. I've seen the screenshots and I'm not a fan on how the tabs now look but at least there's Dark Mode to actually see them. I wonder if anybody else has their own opinion of it.
For myself, I still use 78 ESR and I will be welcomed with Proton when 91 ESR is out in October. However, I still have Pale Moon as a handy back-up...
Discuss.
For myself, I still use 78 ESR and I will be welcomed with Proton when 91 ESR is out in October. However, I still have Pale Moon as a handy back-up...
Discuss.
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It's funny how all these other browsers are trying to copy chrome to get people to switch... Why would I use the imitation when I have the real thing?
Also, I hope it can let me keep the Menu Bar even if the browser is deliberately copying Chrome.indeed. firefox is missing big features that chrome users regularly use such as PWAs. Mozilla for a time was developing their own version of that but then stopped development on it.
>I like it, but I don't know why compact mode was suddenly dropped.
I mean it's mozilla, they love removing features for no good reason. It's only a matter of time till userchrome.css is totally disabled.
This is roughly how a real web browser should look. Proper standard system window management controls, on Microsoft Windows this includes the title bar, maximize, minimize, and system box. Proper standard File menu, which is something I use all the freaking time. Back, forwards, reload, URL bar (not a "search" bar, although it happens this one can do that), download manager, and activity indicator (AKA throbber). Then a user bookmark toolbar, web page in the middle, and status bar at the bottom.
Tabs? Sorry, the OSes I usually use have good window management, so I don't need or want that bad workaround.
Too much vertical space? I feel so sorry for consumertards who think shortscreen monitors are somehow desirable. (Heck, I had to use one of those the other day, and reading on it was a pain, not to mention they had the resolution set wrong so text and its artifacting looked like it was rendered on an Apple II).
I could go on and on and on.
I mean, apart from the tabs, it's fundamentally the same as your example. The status bar isn't there all the time, but it does show status messages when needed.
As far as tabs go, it's kind of been one of Firefox's main features since it was released. I never saw the point of them back in the day, but everyone wanted them. These days, I do like having tabs. Keeping all the web stuff in one window is nice.
Now, if they do DNS over HTTPS with no way to turn it off or change the provider... then that's a problem.
And I'm sure browsers will be fundamentally the same for the foreseeable future, and honestly, I don't think all that many people really care. Web browsers are like cars: sure, they may be different from each other, but they all do the same thing.
I do understand why some people wanted tabs when they were put in to Firefox, the window management on some OSes didn't handle large numbers of windows very well. Mac wants people to do one thing at a time, and Linux can be all over the place. When Windows started grouping windows from the same application, that meant extra clicks. The problem gets to be that it forces me to waste space for tabs when I don't use them.
Another big problem with changing UIs around is that it breaks documentation. A lot of users can only follow click-by-click instructions and when the instructions don't match, they can't do whatever they are doing. It used to be that UIs usually only changed with major revisions, and those could be prepared for well enough in advance. These days a developer in the marketing department presses a button and suddenly it is all different for everyone.
My bigger problem with DNS over HTTP is that name resolution really should be a OS task, so implementation of this should be at the OS level.
As for using the ISPs name servers, forget that. It's not a trust issue for me, but rather the fact that ISP name servers tend to be the slowest and they love to take over NX domains to show you ads. No thanks.
Think I'll be binning Firefox for good. It really has let me down in recent years and I don't why I still bother with it. Pale Moon it is then...
EDIT: I managed to downgrade it back to 78.15 ESR via System Restore and have automatic updates turned off but even so, Firefox can't help nagging me about the new ugly version but thankfully it's not came back again when I closed the browser and opened it again (for now). Also, minor nitpick but I can't have the Light theme as my default browser theme as for some reason it's stuck on Default (and I can't even delete it either). Oh, woe is me...
Actually, I've even been tempted to switch back from Chrome once or twice.
I want diversity when it comes to browsing engines, but I can't support Mozilla anymore when they continue to go in the wrong direction. I know I'm not alone in this, as Firefox's market share keeps dropping. They need to go back to what made them special in the first place: A standards compliant browser with proper window controls, that you can really customize with add-ons and themes, that doesn't collect a bunch of data by default and shove ads everywhere. If they continue on this course, Firefox will be dead in no time.
So I'm wondering if something similar is happening with Firefox.
What I had to do was turn off some of the performance settings in Firefox and even did some for my OS, and that was after I spoke to an AI chatbot that I know of (YouChat). I think what happened for all this time was that Proton did not comply with the Windows 7 Basic theme very well, as shown by the screenshots I posted before. To be honest, Mozilla should've taken that into consideration... and I also did this when more websites I visit start to break completely for me (even Discord).
So overall no more hideous bleeding everywhere again! Yay!
And I only use Firefox (latest I guess) on Yandex - because Yandex currently blocks Brave browser.
Well, only "good" because I finally got it to work and look better. I even have a custom theme for it also (Arc Theme by the way)
Also the fact that I had no issue with Proton on Firefox during the time I used a loaned laptop from college as well (that ran Windows 11).
I know Proton isn't everyone's cup of tea I must admit...
What made you give up on it though?
Windows 10, x64, started breaking the OS on bootup, it's screen would stay in foreground unless I killed it in either Taskmanager or Services.
And they were constantly hawking for upgrade package. F them.