DOS has GEM, Open GEM, and Free GEM. Don't forget that even if you do install X.org you then have to install a Windows Manager/ Desktop Environment and all of the dependicys.
Nothing is forcing you to install a window manager/DE just because you installed X.org. Sure it'll be near useless without it but it's possible. And as for dependencies. No shit, it's in the name.
DOS has GEM, Open GEM, and Free GEM. Don't forget that even if you do install X.org you then have to install a Windows Manager/ Desktop Environment and all of the dependicys.
Yes but you have to install them. You phrased your post to assume that all of those OSes listed come with a GUI out of the box. A good amount of Linux distros still do not include a GUI out of the box, you have to install and configure them manually.
On most distros, and I'd believe Hurd in addition, if you install X.org, you do get one window manager, TWM, which although is kinda dated, is a GUI. If not, you get a simple Xorg session with a terminal.
Your posts make little to no sense whatsoever. Try to actually phrase your posts later to make sense. We think that you dislike an OS strictly because it doesn't have a GUI.
Hurd looks like a terminal and thus I have no interest. Now if they could get A GUI on it and have it work it VB then I would love to try it out. As of now it is just an other OS that is out there.
Your logic behind your dislike of Hurd is irrational. Personally, I'm not a fan of Hurd. It's been in development for quite some time by Stallman and the GNU group and has made little to no progress in the past decade. However, I do like the idea of a microkernel.
If by "user" you mean Average Joe, then yes. Average Joe can barely work the GUI let alone a CLI. But any tech worth their weight can not only work a CLI, but probably prefers it.
That's the best thing I've heard all day. This is the kinda kid who probably thinks it's easier to navigate through folders to add apt sources, and installs his preferred browser by looking through the "software center" instead of just typing sudo apt-get install chromium. This is hilarious.
It's more sad than funny really. He's representative of the new generation of computer nerds. They're like fish out of water around a command line and doomed to be lesser techs as they stick to their precious GUI and ignore the power of the CLI.
The fact of the matter is that as software grows increasingly complex, there are too many functions to include in a GUI without cluttering it up. There have been a few attempts to correct this... Microsoft's Ribbon, Ubuntu's HUD.
But ultimately it comes down to three choices.
A) add all of the functions to the GUI and get an overwhelming and ugly piece of shit interface remove the additional functionality, or add new functions, but remove old ones, thus making the software less usable
or
C) move those functions off to the CLI and you get something that can have an elegant GUI for those that don't need the additional functionality, while also having the CLI for those that need the extra power.
It's more sad than funny really. He's representative of the new generation of computer nerds. They're like fish out of water around a command line and doomed to be lesser techs as they stick to their precious GUI and ignore the power of the CLI.
The fact of the matter is that as software grows increasingly complex, there are too many functions to include in a GUI without cluttering it up. There have been a few attempts to correct this... Microsoft's Ribbon, Ubuntu's HUD.
But ultimately it comes down to three choices.
A) add all of the functions to the GUI and get an overwhelming and ugly piece of shit interface remove the additional functionality, or add new functions, but remove old ones, thus making the software less usable
or
C) move those functions off to the CLI and you get something that can have an elegant GUI for those that don't need the additional functionality, while also having the CLI for those that need the extra power.
+1.
If anyone noticed, I tried to be informative as possible to this guy, even including tons of links to try and educate this guy. It seemed absolutely pointless. They seemed to have a minor grasp on the workings, but refused to listen to anything else.
I feel you're absolutely right about that. I seem to see that mentality towards a lot of the younger "techies" that are coming around. It gives me the fear that eventually we will be left with gigantic walled gardens where nobody really knows how computers really work, yet expect it to look as nice as possible while removing the functionality that makes computers powerful tools. Nobody cares really anymore that they don't own the software they use (e.g. they're limited to only what that company says) nor do they own the hardware (locked down bootloaders and DRM). I guess it's just me but I feel like computers are going to start taking the path of how tablets and phones are currently.
Also, it seems more like choice B is occurring more than the others. It seems stuff is being stripped down in the name of convenience.
C) move those functions off to the CLI and you get something that can have an elegant GUI for those that don't need the additional functionality, while also having the CLI for those that need the extra power.
Correct. Microsoft has been going in this direction for several years, and although I in large part disagree with what they've done with Windows 8, bringing it to the OS level is a very smart move.
No user would want a systom without a GUI they will look and run awsy.
I manage several thousand live production servers for a living and it's almost all done on the shell. Please stop talking for all users because clearly you're not representative of all sysadmins by a long shot. You're a kid who can't even use your browsers god damn spell checker. Fix that. Fix that now because if I see any further posts with a spelling error your account will be deactivated.
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On most distros, and I'd believe Hurd in addition, if you install X.org, you do get one window manager, TWM, which although is kinda dated, is a GUI. If not, you get a simple Xorg session with a terminal.
Your posts make little to no sense whatsoever. Try to actually phrase your posts later to make sense. We think that you dislike an OS strictly because it doesn't have a GUI. Your logic behind your dislike of Hurd is irrational. Personally, I'm not a fan of Hurd. It's been in development for quite some time by Stallman and the GNU group and has made little to no progress in the past decade. However, I do like the idea of a microkernel.
Canonical is developing Mir for Ubuntu right now.
Obviously you haven't met that many people who manage servers then. There's not too many people who run GUIs on servers.
That's the best thing I've heard all day. This is the kinda kid who probably thinks it's easier to navigate through folders to add apt sources, and installs his preferred browser by looking through the "software center" instead of just typing sudo apt-get install chromium. This is hilarious.
The fact of the matter is that as software grows increasingly complex, there are too many functions to include in a GUI without cluttering it up. There have been a few attempts to correct this... Microsoft's Ribbon, Ubuntu's HUD.
But ultimately it comes down to three choices.
A) add all of the functions to the GUI and get an overwhelming and ugly piece of shit interface
or
C) move those functions off to the CLI and you get something that can have an elegant GUI for those that don't need the additional functionality, while also having the CLI for those that need the extra power.
If anyone noticed, I tried to be informative as possible to this guy, even including tons of links to try and educate this guy. It seemed absolutely pointless. They seemed to have a minor grasp on the workings, but refused to listen to anything else.
I feel you're absolutely right about that. I seem to see that mentality towards a lot of the younger "techies" that are coming around. It gives me the fear that eventually we will be left with gigantic walled gardens where nobody really knows how computers really work, yet expect it to look as nice as possible while removing the functionality that makes computers powerful tools. Nobody cares really anymore that they don't own the software they use (e.g. they're limited to only what that company says) nor do they own the hardware (locked down bootloaders and DRM). I guess it's just me but I feel like computers are going to start taking the path of how tablets and phones are currently.
Also, it seems more like choice B is occurring more than the others. It seems stuff is being stripped down in the name of convenience.
Correct. Microsoft has been going in this direction for several years, and although I in large part disagree with what they've done with Windows 8, bringing it to the OS level is a very smart move.
I manage several thousand live production servers for a living and it's almost all done on the shell. Please stop talking for all users because clearly you're not representative of all sysadmins by a long shot. You're a kid who can't even use your browsers god damn spell checker. Fix that. Fix that now because if I see any further posts with a spelling error your account will be deactivated.