Fuck hard drives.

So the 1TB drive in my desktop died, and I realized that I don't really have a backup.

But this leads me to a topic for discussion.

Are hard drives getting worse? It seems that hard drive makers are building less and less reliable hardware, and that they seem to be falling apart a lot more often. This is the fourth drive I've had die on me recently, although not in the same system. I've never had this many hard drive failures in such a short period of time, and all of the drives were manufactured around a similar time.

Anyone else notice this?

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  • Nope.

    Haven't lost a drive in around 6 years.
  • I've been lucky enough to have only two drive failures in my life. The second one died around 2004 or so.

    Ever since then, I've been pretty good about keeping backups. Could be better though. You can never have too many backups. I make sure that everything has at least two copies somewhere and I have three backup drives that are offline and powered on only when I run my weekly backup scripts.
  • Only failures for disk drives are ones that were so old/unknown-condition that they were going to.

    Disc drives? Those are nasty, especially any from early 2000s...
  • I've dealt with 5 drive failures in about a 4 year period. All Seagates. Most of those came from one drive, which was RMA'ed for a replacement drive that also failed in a similar amount of time which was also RMA'ed with a drive that failed in a week, and so on and so on. The last drive I've gotten from them still seems to be working, but I don't think I can personally trust it as a backup drive for important stuff.
    Now the WD I bought a while back has been running straight for at least 2 years now without any problems.
  • It's been said in the past, but any manufacturer can have a bad batch of drives. Both of the drive failures I had were WD's. My Seagates have been rock solid.

    *knocks on wood*

    But usually I try to mix and match hard drive manufacturers. I typically go with Seagate for the main drive and WD for the backup. Although one year I did go hitatchi for the backup. That drive seems to still be doing fine.
  • I feel incredibly lucky. In all my years of owning PCs I've had 1 hard drive failure. I probably just jinxed myself.
  • Only one fail for me. All my HDDs are Maxtors.

    I'm still looking into getting that failed one back online, or at least recover the data from it.
  • Maxtor being purchased by Seagate is depressing. DId anyone else notice that Seagate and Western Digital have a monopoly on the drive business now? It just proves to me that hard drives are a dying market. In the next few years I'll enter the process of going full SSD.
  • DId anyone else notice that Seagate and Western Digital have a monopoly on the drive business now?

    I have. I used to love Samsung drives, and now they're really Seagate.

    My coworker used to love Hitachi drives, and now they're really Western Digital.
  • In the next few years I'll enter the process of going full SSD.

    I've more or less gone full SSD for my OS drives. Every machine I use on a regular basis has an SSD for the OS. I would still go mechanical for storage though, at least for the time being. SSDs will probably take over eventually, but not right now.
  • BlueSun wrote:
    In the next few years I'll enter the process of going full SSD.

    I've more or less gone full SSD for my OS drives. Every machine I use on a regular basis has an SSD for the OS. I would still go mechanical for storage though, at least for the time being. SSDs will probably take over eventually, but not right now.
    I don't forsee a solid-state takeover until the price per gigabyte drops dramatically. It could happen, though.

    Right now the only thing keeping me from going 100% solid state is the cost per gigabyte. I too have gone SSD for most of my operating system drives, with the exception of Windows drives because normally I use Windows only for gaming and again it comes down to a cost per gigabyte situation where the spindled disks are still more viable right now. (most games these days are huge...)
  • The cost has already come down a bit. Wouldn't surprise me to see it drop some more in the next couple of years. Reliability and longevity are the other factors to consider.
  • BlueSun wrote:
    The cost has already come down a bit. Wouldn't surprise me to see it drop some more in the next couple of years. Reliability and longevity are the other factors to consider.
    I was initially concerned about that, in fact moreso than price. However over the past two-three years I've seen my coworker buy 5 or 6 SSDs and I myself have also bought 4 or 5. The only ones I've seen fail on him were OCZ ones.

    My coworker put a Corsair SSD into a datacenter-hosted server as the OS drive about 3 years ago, and it's still going strong. My earliest SSD was put into my router box, and has been storing MRTG graphs and RRD database files for probably close to 3 years. It's a 60GB Kingston SSD.

    I've got a bunch of 128GB Samsung SSDs I keep buying whenever they're below $100. I've got them as OS drives in my laptop, desktop, and file server. I've got 2 new ones in box ready to be deployed. I've overcome most of my reliability\longevity fears, but I know it'll be a few more years before they're competing with hard drive lifespans.

    Regardless, in the era of my file server (which has 3TB spindled disks in a hardware RAID 5) and cloud storage, my workstations are mostly dumb terminals and when information is lost due to OS drive failure, all I really lose is applications and configuration. I've got all my important school documents in Dropbox, most of my work stuff is in Google Drive, all of my large multimedia (music, videos, etc) on my file server along with all of my ISOs, and while I might keep some day-to-day junk in my local home folders, it's not much that would be missed if it was lost.
  • Most of my stuff I lost was music and random software I've downloaded. And a few games that I can just re-download. The problem with the cloud is that with non-ubran areas and consumer speed network connections, it takes FOREVER to backup things. Thank the powers that be that I keep important things on flash drives, but still.
  • The cheapest £/GB on the UK market currently is 40p/GB. At that cost, it would cost me 5 grand to replace my current hard drive array with SSDs

    Little while off yet, folks.
  • Kirk wrote:
    Regardless, in the era of my file server (which has 3TB spindled disks in a hardware RAID 5) and cloud storage, my workstations are mostly dumb terminals and when information is lost due to OS drive failure, all I really lose is applications and configuration. I've got all my important school documents in Dropbox, most of my work stuff is in Google Drive, all of my large multimedia (music, videos, etc) on my file server along with all of my ISOs, and while I might keep some day-to-day junk in my local home folders, it's not much that would be missed if it was lost.

    I can't and won't fully trust cloud data. If I have something I keep on a service such as dropbox or google drive, I make sure the file is encrypted. Even if the files are claimed to be safe on there, I can't really trust it unless I have physical access to the hardware itself to make sure it is. (Insert NSA spying stuff here.)

    Also on one occasion, I've had a dropbox admin remove files from my dropbox folders, claiming that they recieved a DMCA on them. Those specific files were not even marked public or contained any copywright material. It was my final project I was working on for a class.

    Lastly, part of me thinks it's only a matter of time until most major ISPs start doing caps, which will likely kill any reliance on cloud data and or streaming services.
  • I've never had Dropbox flag anything under DMCA, but that's highly disturbing if they do that. How did you find out? Did they send you a notice or did you just notice the file missing?

    As far as ISPs and caps go, I have no doubt they will cap data usage. Some already are.
  • I'd rather they cap usage than introduce what they had a few years ago over here. "Fair usage policies" with no quantification of what "too much" data was.
  • My main system has two WD hard drives. 150GB on the primary and a 500GB as a slave for backup use and storage. I don't really need anything bigger. The primary drive has 86GB free. So for myself it would be a cheap move to convert to a SSD. I use Google Drive to store some text files such as serials, hardware pinouts and such. Just dont label the files with a stupid name so admins wont think its illegal and delete them.
  • Yes, I agree with "DeepFriedCookies".

    I had also had a 2TB Western Digital HDD, which crashed two months ago.
    :(
    I now have only my old 80GB SATA II 3.5" HDD and i have Windows 7 on it.
    :shock:
    Old technology was better, even if it was slower.
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