Windows 10 is Evil! (Split from: Other forums)

edited February 2016 in Software
garirry wrote:
Regarding W10, I'm starting to get annoyed with the Windows 10 hate. It's actually pretty decent, and Windows 8/.1 was much worse than this. They do in fact do stuff like spying and advertising, but those are fairly minor and can be disabled, so it's not that bad.

Windows 10 honestly derserves most of the shit it gets. If you ask me, brain cancer is fairly mild to everything that is wrong with W10.
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  • garirry wrote:
    it's not that bad.

    "that" is a matter of opinion here.
    I was on the road to tolerating 10, until I discovered ndis.exe and its purpose. Shut me off right there.
    Added with the fact your computer never really shits down, it just runs a form of hibernation.
  • garirry wrote:
    it's not that bad.

    "that" is a matter of opinion here.
    I was on the road to tolerating 10, until I discovered ndis.exe and its purpose. Shut me off right there.
    Added with the fact your computer never really shits down, it just runs a form of hibernation.

    I think "ndis.exe" (Or ndis.sys depending on your system) is your NIC driver
  • Yes, you can disable most of the privacy violating "features" of Windows 10... the biggest issue comes from the fact that they can pretty much re-enable those settings with any update they push out. So you need to re-check those settings every single time you update to ensure it's not re-enabled. And they've already been caught at least once doing this.

    I keep hoping that eventually they'll realize what a mistake it was having all this spying built in and remove it. As long as 10's market share remains low (it's lower than XP's last I checked), they'll be forced to fix it eventually and I really hope that they do, because honestly, apart from the spying, Windows 10 isn't that bad. It's certainly fixable if they'd just put the time in to fix it.

    In the meantime, however, I plan on sticking with 8.1.
  • BlueSun wrote:
    Yes, you can disable most of the privacy violating "features" of Windows 10... the biggest issue comes from the fact that they can pretty much re-enable those settings with any update they push out.
    Backdoors, anyone?

    Any company can do that. OS X might have them. Linux might even have them!
  • BlueSun wrote:
    Yes, you can disable most of the privacy violating "features" of Windows 10... the biggest issue comes from the fact that they can pretty much re-enable those settings with any update they push out.
    Backdoors, anyone?

    Any company can do that. OS X might have them. Linux might even have them!

    No developer would honestly get away with putting a backdoor in Linux, or at least not for very long.
  • 66659hi wrote:
    garirry wrote:
    it's not that bad.

    "that" is a matter of opinion here.
    I was on the road to tolerating 10, until I discovered ndis.exe and its purpose. Shut me off right there.
    Added with the fact your computer never really shits down, it just runs a form of hibernation.

    I think "ndis.exe" (Or ndis.sys depending on your system) is your NIC driver
    Wrong. Microsoft will NOT post anything relevant to the exe. It is the service run by Defender to scan, not your computer, but your NETWORK for "threats". What is deemed a "threat" and what microsoft will do to the "threat" is beyond me.
    You can't change file permissions, change its startup type, delete it, or anything with it. Check services.msc for service info. File should be under the Windows Defender folder in program files.
  • 66659hi wrote:
    garirry wrote:
    it's not that bad.

    "that" is a matter of opinion here.
    I was on the road to tolerating 10, until I discovered ndis.exe and its purpose. Shut me off right there.
    Added with the fact your computer never really shits down, it just runs a form of hibernation.

    I think "ndis.exe" (Or ndis.sys depending on your system) is your NIC driver
    Wrong. Microsoft will NOT post anything relevant to the exe. It is the service run by Defender to scan, not your computer, but your NETWORK for "threats". What is deemed a "threat" and what microsoft will do to the "threat" is beyond me.
    You can't change file permissions, change its startup type, delete it, or anything with it. Check services.msc for service info. File should be under the Windows Defender folder in program files.

    You're being really overly paranoid about this. (Also, I don't have ndis.exe in my services.msc). But can we please get back on topic?
  • Note: topic split.
  • 66659hi wrote:
    You're being really overly paranoid about this. (Also, I don't have ndis.exe in my services.msc). But can we please get back on topic
    Now that we are on (a new) topic, look under something along "Windows Defender Network" or something like that.
    I'll see if I can download a 10 iso to put up the exe.
  • 66659hi wrote:
    You're being really overly paranoid about this. (Also, I don't have ndis.exe in my services.msc). But can we please get back on topic
    Now that we are on (a new) topic, look under something along "Windows Defender Network" or something like that.
    I'll see if I can download a 10 iso to put up the exe.

    Untitled-1.jpg

    I don't have this file on my windows 10 system. What kind of Chinese/Russian shitty cracked version did you install to get said file?
  • Added with the fact your computer never really shits down, it just runs a form of hibernation.
    A setting you can easily reverse, but that would result in slower bootups.
  • BOD wrote:
    66659hi wrote:
    You're being really overly paranoid about this. (Also, I don't have ndis.exe in my services.msc). But can we please get back on topic
    Now that we are on (a new) topic, look under something along "Windows Defender Network" or something like that.
    I'll see if I can download a 10 iso to put up the exe.

    Untitled-1.jpg

    I don't have this file on my windows 10 system. What kind of Chinese/Russian shitty cracked version did you install to get said file?

    I'm pretty sure the ndis.exe yourepicfailure's seeing is his network driver, he's just being overly paranoid.
  • Uhhh, there is no ndis.exe on my Windows 10 machine. ndis.sys IS the networking subsystem, but there is no ndis.exe
  • ampharos wrote:
    Uhhh, there is no ndis.exe on my Windows 10 machine. ndis.sys IS the networking subsystem, but there is no ndis.exe
    He must have a virus/malware, because neither of my Win10 computers have ndis.exe.
  • And those of you that don't have NDIS.EXE also have the Windows Defender network service installed? (no idea if that is a default part of Windows "we can't count to 9 edition" now.)

    Anyway, it is always a bit worrysome when a third party program probes your network. Antivirus programs often do report back to the mothership about what viruses they found. It would be dead simple for them to send back banking information, metadata about your goat porn, or flags about your plans to kill your Glorious Leader of choice. One would hope they would be bound by laws, etc to not do that, but given how more companies get away with more scummy things these days, it is something be concerned about.
  • MS are the least of your worries given what the NSA et all have been doing. Not to mention the joys of Google and Facebook.
  • edited January 2016
    66659hi, I do know the difference between an sys file located in %winroot%system32/drivers and an exe located in /Program Files/Windows Defender/.
    BOD I have a device entitlement after "upgrading" from Win7Ultimate that I purchased 6 years back for a heap. I have used the Windows Update option to dump Win10 on my computer, legitimately.

    There are the two executables that I have found 'again' that have particularly caught my eye- NisSRV.exe and ndis.exe (which I am the only one so far to have).
    NisSRV, which identifies itself as "Microsoft Network Realtime Inspection Service" monitors for "malicious" activities on your connections similar to firewall, but it refers to Microsoft for what is deemed "malicious". So therefore Microsoft can, and will, monitor your connections and activities for things such as pirating, and can block them.

    Ndis.exe, on the other hand, identifies itself as "Microsoft Defender Network Device Interfacing System". According to what I could find in the .exe and its actions, it appears to monitor things such as other devices on the network, and what it(the other device) or I do. I haven't observed other actions but that, so there could be more. Disabling services associated with networked devices and discovery stopped its actions, however with updates, those configurations may be reversed.
    Why I am the only one with the .exe is beyond me. Maybe MS already knows 'completely' who I am and everything else about me, and sent off a special monitoring version for me, and possibly others, I don't know. I do know, me having this file while everyone else doesn't is just far too off.
  • 66659hi, I'd hate to be backseating, but please do keep an open mind rather than jump to "he has shitty cracked version" with hostility. And even more how you jump to the assumption that the Russians and Chinese are the main ones cracking, when most of the cracked softwares I've seen have been American. I do have every right to be paranoid, with reasons, just as you have every right to defend Windows 10 with your heart and soul.
    I do know the difference between an sys file located in %winroot%system32/drivers and an exe located in /Program Files/Windows Defender/. I have a device entitlement after "upgrading" from Win7Ultimate that I purchased 6 years back for a heap. I have used the Windows Update option to dump Win10 on my computer, legitimately.

    For the ones who will keep an open mind, there are the two executables that I have found that have particularly caught my eye- NisSRV.exe, which probes your connections, and ndis.exe (which I am the only one so far to have).
    NisSRV monitors for "malicious" activities on your connections similar to firewall, but it refers to Microsoft for what is deemed "malicious". So therefore Microsoft can, and will, monitor your connections and activities for things such as pirating, and can block them.

    Ndis.exe, on the other hand, identifies itself as "Microsoft Defender Network Device Interfacing System". According to what I could find in the .exe and its actions, it appears to monitor things such as other devices on the network, and what it(the other device) or I do. I haven't observed other actions but that, so there could be more. Disabling services associated with networked devices and discovery stopped its actions, however with updates, those configurations may be reversed.
    Why I am the only one with the .exe is beyond me. Maybe MS already knows 'completely' who I am and everything else about me, and sent off a special monitoring version for me, and possibly others, I don't know. I do know, me having this file while everyone else doesn't is just far too off.

    I'm not the only person who said "Must be a shitty cracked version" (Or at least something similar), BOD said the same thing. A quick google search shows no forum posts, only a few "Is it safe?" pages, so either you're lieing about this or you have a virus, or there is somehow a really obscure thing that exists that only you have.
    I'll check my other machine running Win10 for NisSRV.exe later.
  • I edited my post as such 66659hi. Be sure to check it as I am not... lying.
    If Microsoft has a grudge against me, personally(unlikely), I will begin considering the usage of Debian 7 full-time.
  • So therefore Microsoft can, and will, monitor your connections and activities for things such as pirating, and can block them.

    MS have had plenty of opportunity to do this over the years, given their high marketshare they *could* have theoretically almost stamped out piracy by doing so. So far I've never seen any evidence of MS doing anything whatsoever to prevent piracy or torrenting at all.
  • If the men in black suits want to get you, they will get you.
  • Another reason why Windows 10 is fucking evil. This is just ridiculous... honestly. Even if I only get Windows Update to just check for updates and let me download and install them, I'm getting worried now but it needs to fucking stop. I wouldn't be surprised if many folk have switched away to OS X or Linux because of this, and I think I'll be doing the same in the near future. I really have no faith in Microsoft now.

    Also, do they really think all computers/laptops can accept this stupid upgrade? I don't think my laptop would take to it well as according to this. But once again, it needs stop. Now.
  • Bry89 wrote:
    Another reason why Windows 10 is fucking evil. This is just ridiculous... honestly. Even if I only get Windows Update to just check for updates and let me download and install them, I'm getting worried now but it needs to fucking stop. I wouldn't be surprised if many folk have switched away to OS X or Linux because of this, and I think I'll be doing the same in the near future. I really have no faith in Microsoft now.

    Also, do they really think all computers/laptops can accept this stupid upgrade? I don't think my laptop would take to it well as according to this. But once again, it needs stop. Now.

    I removed the update on a few older desktops/laptops that weren't compatible with 10, and I haven't seen anything happen (I've installed some Windows updates and haven't had it reappear)
  • Bry89 wrote:
    Another reason why Windows 10 is fucking evil. This is just ridiculous... honestly. Even if I only get Windows Update to just check for updates and let me download and install them, I'm getting worried now but it needs to fucking stop. I wouldn't be surprised if many folk have switched away to OS X or Linux because of this, and I think I'll be doing the same in the near future. I really have no faith in Microsoft now.

    Also, do they really think all computers/laptops can accept this stupid upgrade? I don't think my laptop would take to it well as according to this. But once again, it needs stop. Now.
    Agreed. I've had that thing pop up on my 8-year old HP Desktop and it even tried to upgrade itself to Windows 10 without my permission, Luckily I stopped it and removed that update, I also disabled Windows Update from doing automatic updates to make sure it never happens again. They don't understand that some systems are still using 7 for legacy purposes like I am (Mainly Virtual PC 2007 and Windows Movie Maker 2.6, Neither of which work on Windows 10). I would've considered downgrading to XP or Vista but some applications I use need at least Vista or 7 to run and old versions can be hard to find.

    Luckily it never tried to upgrade my 9-year old Toshiba laptop even though that update is on it, Must think its incompatible.

    I have nothing against Windows 10, I just think it's stupid that they're shoving it up Windows 7 users' throats. Anyone remember KB2934207 which was used to tell XP users about its support ending?
  • It's definitely ridiculous. This has got to be one of the most fucked up Windows releases Microsoft has done in recent times.

    It's still savable... the OS is not that bad, they just need to fix a few things and stop all this nagware bullshit.
  • BlueSun wrote:
    It's definitely ridiculous. This has got to be one of the most fucked up Windows releases Microsoft has done in recent times.

    It's still savable... the OS is not that bad, they just need to fix a few things and stop all this nagware bullshit.

    Yeah, the nagware is stupid...but it can be removed. The thing I dislike the most is that it auto-downloads 3GB worth of Win10 files. (I don't dislike the OS itself though, in fact I'm using it on the PC I'm on right now.
  • Anyone remember KB2934207 which was used to tell XP users about its support ending?
    I remember the messaging saying that when having an XP VM run near the end of its time, but I didn't know that an update had generated that.

    Also, the behaviour for this Win10 upgrade (or GWX) is pretty much comparable to what malware can do, am I right? Luckily, that thing didn't try to upgrade my system with my back turned. If it did, I would've trashed it. I just hope Microsoft realise what they've done wrong regarding this. This cannot go on any longer.
  • I will personally say this.
    Windows 10 could be a very decent release. After recent patches and updates, it has managed to handle decently on my laptop, compared to when I previously ran it.
    Maybe if they did a complete merge to the Settings app rather than split things down the middle and stop over simplifying, I'd drop off and go straight to it.

    However, the forced tracking, fact that I am literally denied access to parts of my computer, and the malware-like activities have caused me to steer far away from it, when I could be jumping at it.

    The likelihood of microsoft ceasing all these activities is just not likely. They spent time and money implementing them, and won't spend more to unimplement. Of all, it is likely to get worse.

    By the way, triple6(66659hi) judging by how you never mentioned NisSrv.exe again, I'm guessing you have in fact found the file on your system?
  • I will personally say this.
    Windows 10 could be a very decent release. After recent patches and updates, it has managed to handle decently on my laptop, compared to when I previously ran it.
    Maybe if they did a complete merge to the Settings app rather than split things down the middle and stop over simplifying, I'd drop off and go straight to it.

    However, the forced tracking, fact that I am literally denied access to parts of my computer, and the malware-like activities have caused me to steer far away from it, when I could be jumping at it.

    The likelihood of microsoft ceasing all these activities is just not likely. They spent time and money implementing them, and won't spend more to unimplement. Of all, it is likely to get worse.

    By the way, triple6(66659hi) judging by how you never mentioned NisSrv.exe again, I'm guessing you have in fact found the file on your system?
    I forgot about NisSrv.exe. I have other things to do in my life besides look for a .exe on a computer.

    Also, I just looked now and it was under "Windows Defender Network Service" and it wasn't even started.

    "Forced Tracking" Haven't we gone over the fact that it can be disabled?
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